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> <channel><title>Comments on: Mat&#8217;s KX-Bass Guitar</title> <atom:link href="http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2008/02/klein-kx-bass-custom.html/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2008/02/klein-kx-bass-custom.html?utm_source=rss&amp;utm_medium=rss&amp;utm_campaign=klein-kx-bass-custom</link> <description>Guitar Designs. Ergonomics. Guitar Making.</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:42:27 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0</generator> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Mats</title><link>http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2008/02/klein-kx-bass-custom.html#comment-16912</link> <dc:creator>Mats</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:22:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2008/02/klein-kx-bass-custom.html#comment-16912</guid> <description>Don&#039;t know really. Peter Clemmedson of JG Guitars just put the slab of papier mache on my belly and we went from there. What kind of wood he used after that, or how big it was I don&#039;t really know. I was only doing all minor, tedious jobs, sanding, buffing and filing, he did all the tidbits first. I screwed it together, but he shoot and lacquered it in a spray boot. Took half a year on and off. Large inactivity between woodworking sessions.You know, it wouldn&#039;t make sense really to tell you the final measurements even. They wont fit you anyway. I am not the sole builder of this bass, I am sorry if it came across like that. I am not a builder at all. Really. I have absolutely no knowledge of woodworking, or paint, of what to use, how to do it and whatever. I just design it and make final improvements and electronic assembly perhaps.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know really. Peter Clemmedson of JG Guitars just put the slab of papier mache on my belly and we went from there. What kind of wood he used after that, or how big it was I don&#8217;t really know. I was only doing all minor, tedious jobs, sanding, buffing and filing, he did all the tidbits first. I screwed it together, but he shoot and lacquered it in a spray boot. Took half a year on and off. Large inactivity between woodworking sessions.</p><p>You know, it wouldn&#8217;t make sense really to tell you the final measurements even. They wont fit you anyway. I am not the sole builder of this bass, I am sorry if it came across like that. I am not a builder at all. Really. I have absolutely no knowledge of woodworking, or paint, of what to use, how to do it and whatever. I just design it and make final improvements and electronic assembly perhaps.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: plantula@libero.it</title><link>http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2008/02/klein-kx-bass-custom.html#comment-16908</link> <dc:creator>plantula@libero.it</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 01:05:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2008/02/klein-kx-bass-custom.html#comment-16908</guid> <description>ok for the plek stuff. now I&#039;m lookin&#039; for the right lumber... how many cm (or inches) wide was the lumber you&#039;ve used for the body exactly? I&#039;ve foud a nice figured sipo lumber, but it seems to be a little narrow... (36 cm or 14.173228 inches)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok for the plek stuff. now I&#8217;m lookin&#8217; for the right lumber&#8230; how many cm (or inches) wide was the lumber you&#8217;ve used for the body exactly? I&#8217;ve foud a nice figured sipo lumber, but it seems to be a little narrow&#8230; (36 cm or 14.173228 inches)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mats</title><link>http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2008/02/klein-kx-bass-custom.html#comment-16891</link> <dc:creator>Mats</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 17:58:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2008/02/klein-kx-bass-custom.html#comment-16891</guid> <description>Yes, I was about to send it to Berlin where the original Plek shop exists. But they opened up a shop in Stockholm which is 6 hours drive from where I live. So I&#039;ll better send the gear up to them.They had my bass as a GUINEA PIG - test example item - when they first set up the machine. They had problems initially due to the non-uniform body, but now they&#039;re as professional as any. Read about the Plek thing for yourself on www.plek.com. Basically, if your frets are new and ok, don&#039;t bother, but if they need any leveling or adjustment due to fret wear, you might as well spend the extra money on having it &quot;plekked&quot;. If you have the strings too low on a Plek guitar/bass you almost can get sitar tones all over the neck, because they&#039;re that precise. However, this low action is not recommended.But they wont ever get my original Klein, it ain&#039;t needed. Also, they check the guitar first to see if there&#039;s any need - really - for a plek, and if the machine says the frets are alright anyway, they won&#039;t scam you and charge you for money. So, some guitars don&#039;t really need a Plek at all.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I was about to send it to Berlin where the original Plek shop exists. But they opened up a shop in Stockholm which is 6 hours drive from where I live. So I&#8217;ll better send the gear up to them.</p><p>They had my bass as a GUINEA PIG &#8211; test example item &#8211; when they first set up the machine. They had problems initially due to the non-uniform body, but now they&#8217;re as professional as any. Read about the Plek thing for yourself on <a href="http://www.plek.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.plek.com</a>. Basically, if your frets are new and ok, don&#8217;t bother, but if they need any leveling or adjustment due to fret wear, you might as well spend the extra money on having it &#8220;plekked&#8221;. If you have the strings too low on a Plek guitar/bass you almost can get sitar tones all over the neck, because they&#8217;re that precise. However, this low action is not recommended.</p><p>But they wont ever get my original Klein, it ain&#8217;t needed. Also, they check the guitar first to see if there&#8217;s any need &#8211; really &#8211; for a plek, and if the machine says the frets are alright anyway, they won&#8217;t scam you and charge you for money. So, some guitars don&#8217;t really need a Plek at all.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Domenico</title><link>http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2008/02/klein-kx-bass-custom.html#comment-16866</link> <dc:creator>Domenico</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:48:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2008/02/klein-kx-bass-custom.html#comment-16866</guid> <description>ok, I&#039;l do my custom template... but I&#039;ve read that strange Plek stuff... what did you do? Did you ship the instrument in order to make the computer controlled adjustment?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, I&#8217;l do my custom template&#8230; but I&#8217;ve read that strange Plek stuff&#8230; what did you do? Did you ship the instrument in order to make the computer controlled adjustment?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mats</title><link>http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2008/02/klein-kx-bass-custom.html#comment-16864</link> <dc:creator>Mats</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:58:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2008/02/klein-kx-bass-custom.html#comment-16864</guid> <description>Sorry, I&#039;ve not replied earlier. Discovered this just today.
No, there was no templates at all, since we did the papier machÃ© thing. Got tacky around my belly, although I wasn&#039;t bare, I wore an old &quot;painting&quot; worn and torn t-shirt that we had to scrap afterwards! :-)We just did look at all photos on the web that we could find. And tried to make it after that. There&#039;s only a template or plan of the Klein Harp GUITAR (the one made for Michael Hedges) obtainable from Guild of American Luthiers. No bass at all. I do not intend to make a plan or template of it either.In Italy is hard to find anything like that. I find it peculiar that the most interest in a Klein, both bass and guitar, of all European countries, seems to be in Italy. Not bad in any way, just positive, but I mean, UK or German interest is practically nil, they got their Status basses and guitars instead. And Germanys BassLab are making outrageous headless designs instead.While I have seen numerous Klein guitars up on for sale on e-bay or elsewhere now and then, I have yet to see a real Klein KX-bass, I wonder how many there are out there that was really made and sold. It&#039;s definitely not above 2 digit numbers.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I&#8217;ve not replied earlier. Discovered this just today.<br /> No, there was no templates at all, since we did the papier machÃ© thing. Got tacky around my belly, although I wasn&#8217;t bare, I wore an old &#8220;painting&#8221; worn and torn t-shirt that we had to scrap afterwards! <img src='http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>We just did look at all photos on the web that we could find. And tried to make it after that. There&#8217;s only a template or plan of the Klein Harp GUITAR (the one made for Michael Hedges) obtainable from Guild of American Luthiers. No bass at all. I do not intend to make a plan or template of it either.</p><p>In Italy is hard to find anything like that. I find it peculiar that the most interest in a Klein, both bass and guitar, of all European countries, seems to be in Italy. Not bad in any way, just positive, but I mean, UK or German interest is practically nil, they got their Status basses and guitars instead. And Germanys BassLab are making outrageous headless designs instead.</p><p>While I have seen numerous Klein guitars up on for sale on e-bay or elsewhere now and then, I have yet to see a real Klein KX-bass, I wonder how many there are out there that was really made and sold. It&#8217;s definitely not above 2 digit numbers.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Domenico</title><link>http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2008/02/klein-kx-bass-custom.html#comment-16642</link> <dc:creator>Domenico</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:01:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2008/02/klein-kx-bass-custom.html#comment-16642</guid> <description>Hi, Matt... do you still have the templates of the original Klein bass and of your creation? I&#039;m really trying to lok for one in Italy but is very hard...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Matt&#8230; do you still have the templates of the original Klein bass and of your creation? I&#8217;m really trying to lok for one in Italy but is very hard&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mats</title><link>http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2008/02/klein-kx-bass-custom.html#comment-12548</link> <dc:creator>Mats</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:04:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2008/02/klein-kx-bass-custom.html#comment-12548</guid> <description>Just giggling a bit for myself, the first picture of the bass is shown (and taken) from the head on with the bullets of the strings sticking out blatantly, and the descriptions to the picture states &quot;Double Ball End strings headpiece &quot; even bold,  just like it needed to be said in bold ... :-)I had to reverse the strings so the bigger end of the ball end strings protruded out. Otherwise the taper of the strings went  over the zero fret, throwing string height and first fret intonation off quite a bit. D&#039;addarios if someone likes to know! :-)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just giggling a bit for myself, the first picture of the bass is shown (and taken) from the head on with the bullets of the strings sticking out blatantly, and the descriptions to the picture states &#8220;Double Ball End strings headpiece &#8221; even bold,  just like it needed to be said in bold &#8230; <img src='http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>I had to reverse the strings so the bigger end of the ball end strings protruded out. Otherwise the taper of the strings went  over the zero fret, throwing string height and first fret intonation off quite a bit. D&#8217;addarios if someone likes to know! <img src='http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ray DeGennaro</title><link>http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2008/02/klein-kx-bass-custom.html#comment-12482</link> <dc:creator>Ray DeGennaro</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:43:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2008/02/klein-kx-bass-custom.html#comment-12482</guid> <description>Todd has somewhat recently moved and hasn&#039;t set-up shop yet.  I&#039;ve exchanged emails with him several times over the past few years.  He&#039;s a bit burnt-out on the realities of 100% Custom Luthiery (just like Tim Diebert going 100% custom furniture and no more guitars).  Todd has been helpful in the past.  Don&#039;t press him too much about the mechanics of installing his stainless-steel rod-based frets.  That&#039;s understandably a &quot;Trade Secret&quot;. ;)Ray</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd has somewhat recently moved and hasn&#8217;t set-up shop yet.  I&#8217;ve exchanged emails with him several times over the past few years.  He&#8217;s a bit burnt-out on the realities of 100% Custom Luthiery (just like Tim Diebert going 100% custom furniture and no more guitars).  Todd has been helpful in the past.  Don&#8217;t press him too much about the mechanics of installing his stainless-steel rod-based frets.  That&#8217;s understandably a &#8220;Trade Secret&#8221;. <img src='http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>Ray</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mats</title><link>http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2008/02/klein-kx-bass-custom.html#comment-12464</link> <dc:creator>Mats</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 08:00:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2008/02/klein-kx-bass-custom.html#comment-12464</guid> <description>Thank you Ray and Alex.
Todd Keehn seems to be the only one on the net, to which I agree on 100 percent on everything when building guitar. Especially his view on radiused necks, SS frets, large frets, fanned frets, etc. So his views on direct mount pickups are also within my lines. However, it seems that he&#039;s not that keen on (hrrm...pardon, the bad pun I couldn&#039;t help myself) carrying on building guitars or basses at present. There seems to be too many people wishing to have this and that customized or whatever.It seems that he builds them the way he wants and then the people have just to take it or leave it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Ray and Alex.<br /> Todd Keehn seems to be the only one on the net, to which I agree on 100 percent on everything when building guitar. Especially his view on radiused necks, SS frets, large frets, fanned frets, etc. So his views on direct mount pickups are also within my lines. However, it seems that he&#8217;s not that keen on (hrrm&#8230;pardon, the bad pun I couldn&#8217;t help myself) carrying on building guitars or basses at present. There seems to be too many people wishing to have this and that customized or whatever.</p><p>It seems that he builds them the way he wants and then the people have just to take it or leave it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Alex</title><link>http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2008/02/klein-kx-bass-custom.html#comment-12376</link> <dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 23:03:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2008/02/klein-kx-bass-custom.html#comment-12376</guid> <description>That is incredibly beautiful.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is incredibly beautiful.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ray DeGennaro</title><link>http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2008/02/klein-kx-bass-custom.html#comment-12344</link> <dc:creator>Ray DeGennaro</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:55:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2008/02/klein-kx-bass-custom.html#comment-12344</guid> <description>You might want to drop Todd Keehn a note:  http://www.tkinstruments.com He&#039;s big on direct mount pick-ups too.Ray</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might want to drop Todd Keehn a note: <a href="http://www.tkinstruments.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.tkinstruments.com</a> He&#8217;s big on direct mount pick-ups too.</p><p>Ray</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mats</title><link>http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2008/02/klein-kx-bass-custom.html#comment-12340</link> <dc:creator>Mats</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:22:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2008/02/klein-kx-bass-custom.html#comment-12340</guid> <description>Sorry for commenting on my own bass. Thanks for posting it. I have to add, that the combination of Swamp Ash wood PLUS the Direct Coupling fastening method of the pickups, SEEMS to be a tiny bit ill-fated. Just a tiny bit.Such a vibrant wood translates vibrations into the pickups, for sure, but the screws which holds the pickups are very prone to self-unwind after a while, due to that they&#039;re quite hard stuck and screwed into quite soft wood that are not capable of holding small screws like that on its own for any long period of time. A threaded steel insert would probably do wonders, OR changing the wood of the body, to a harder one. But a harder wood wouldn&#039;t vibrate into the pickups as much and then leaves the Direct Coupling method futile. A threaded steel insert MAY not be able allow the screws to get the pickups to fit snugly. Also, this softer wood, makes pickups easier to lift out from their cavities, since the wood naturally wears with time. With harder wood they might get stuck in there forever!There IS a very significant tone change between in having the pickups Direct Coupled and hanging free just on the screws and their springs. Everyone I know can hear it, not just by playing the bass.Also - but I have no scientific evidence on this - some people says that the magnets inside the pups can be hold still, more when surrounded with stabilizing material. I think this varies with each and every pickup though. If they&#039;re waxed inside there&#039;s not pretty much room for anything to move around, even still, transmit vibrations from any wood surrounding them. One can&#039;t cram them in from their short sides as that&#039;s where the screw ears goes.What this has to do with ergonomics, I don&#039;t know! :-) It&#039;s definitely UN-ERGONOMIC to have the pickups fastened in a way that makes it a real chore to swap them out easily! :-)Which comes to the question which could be an interesting debate around here:1. How far should you go in terms of ergonomics, provided that it has inferior impact on sonic qualities?Or the reverse2. How far would you go in terms of WORSENING ergonomics in order to gain sonic benefits?Say, dodge headstock to remove dead spots. Body design vs less/more sustain. Scale lenght&#039;s to provide easier finger access, vs long scale length, greater tone (bass guitars). Fixing pickups the Direct Coupling way, but the trade off is pickup height adjustment and swapping out. And so on. Just an example.Is there a line at all?I think electric instruments has a wider margin than acoustics though.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for commenting on my own bass. Thanks for posting it. I have to add, that the combination of Swamp Ash wood PLUS the Direct Coupling fastening method of the pickups, SEEMS to be a tiny bit ill-fated. Just a tiny bit.</p><p>Such a vibrant wood translates vibrations into the pickups, for sure, but the screws which holds the pickups are very prone to self-unwind after a while, due to that they&#8217;re quite hard stuck and screwed into quite soft wood that are not capable of holding small screws like that on its own for any long period of time. A threaded steel insert would probably do wonders, OR changing the wood of the body, to a harder one. But a harder wood wouldn&#8217;t vibrate into the pickups as much and then leaves the Direct Coupling method futile. A threaded steel insert MAY not be able allow the screws to get the pickups to fit snugly. Also, this softer wood, makes pickups easier to lift out from their cavities, since the wood naturally wears with time. With harder wood they might get stuck in there forever!</p><p>There IS a very significant tone change between in having the pickups Direct Coupled and hanging free just on the screws and their springs. Everyone I know can hear it, not just by playing the bass.</p><p>Also &#8211; but I have no scientific evidence on this &#8211; some people says that the magnets inside the pups can be hold still, more when surrounded with stabilizing material. I think this varies with each and every pickup though. If they&#8217;re waxed inside there&#8217;s not pretty much room for anything to move around, even still, transmit vibrations from any wood surrounding them. One can&#8217;t cram them in from their short sides as that&#8217;s where the screw ears goes.</p><p>What this has to do with ergonomics, I don&#8217;t know! <img src='http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> It&#8217;s definitely UN-ERGONOMIC to have the pickups fastened in a way that makes it a real chore to swap them out easily! <img src='http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>Which comes to the question which could be an interesting debate around here:</p><p>1. How far should you go in terms of ergonomics, provided that it has inferior impact on sonic qualities?</p><p>Or the reverse</p><p>2. How far would you go in terms of WORSENING ergonomics in order to gain sonic benefits?</p><p>Say, dodge headstock to remove dead spots. Body design vs less/more sustain. Scale lenght&#8217;s to provide easier finger access, vs long scale length, greater tone (bass guitars). Fixing pickups the Direct Coupling way, but the trade off is pickup height adjustment and swapping out. And so on. Just an example.</p><p>Is there a line at all?</p><p>I think electric instruments has a wider margin than acoustics though.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>