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> <channel><title>Comments on: Alternative Headless Guitar Design &#8211; TK Instruments</title> <atom:link href="http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2006/09/alternative-headless-guitar-design-tk.html/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2006/09/alternative-headless-guitar-design-tk.html?utm_source=rss&amp;utm_medium=rss&amp;utm_campaign=alternative-headless-guitar-design-tk</link> <description>Guitar Designs. Ergonomics. Guitar Making.</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:42:27 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1</generator> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Robert Irizarry</title><link>http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2006/09/alternative-headless-guitar-design-tk.html#comment-925</link> <dc:creator>Robert Irizarry</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 17:08:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2006/09/18/alternative-headless-guitar-design-tk/#comment-925</guid> <description>I&#039;ve actually toyed with that idea, John. I own a Hohner G2T which is very much like the GT-Pro. It sits quietly in its case most of the time now but I still have a soft spot for it so I can&#039;t bring myself to hack it up. However, I&#039;ve thought about building what amounts to a neck through with pickups so I can experiment with various wings as you suggest. I&#039;m still keeping the idea alive for a future guitar project...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve actually toyed with that idea, John. I own a Hohner G2T which is very much like the GT-Pro. It sits quietly in its case most of the time now but I still have a soft spot for it so I can&#8217;t bring myself to hack it up. However, I&#8217;ve thought about building what amounts to a neck through with pickups so I can experiment with various wings as you suggest. I&#8217;m still keeping the idea alive for a future guitar project&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: John Sullivan</title><link>http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2006/09/alternative-headless-guitar-design-tk.html#comment-924</link> <dc:creator>John Sullivan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 13:56:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2006/09/18/alternative-headless-guitar-design-tk/#comment-924</guid> <description>An idea for experimenting - The Musicyo GT-Pro (the &quot;broom&quot; shaped headless) is neck through with small wings. Plane or saw the wings flat (remove the edge radius) and add wings to make the Klein type shape and angle as desired and refinish. The tuners, trem and headless setup are already there and D&#039;addario, GHS and others make the double ball strings. I&#039;ve owned both the GT-Pro and GU models and they are built like a rock and play great.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An idea for experimenting &#8211; The Musicyo GT-Pro (the &#8220;broom&#8221; shaped headless) is neck through with small wings. Plane or saw the wings flat (remove the edge radius) and add wings to make the Klein type shape and angle as desired and refinish. The tuners, trem and headless setup are already there and D&#8217;addario, GHS and others make the double ball strings. I&#8217;ve owned both the GT-Pro and GU models and they are built like a rock and play great.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Robert Irizarry</title><link>http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2006/09/alternative-headless-guitar-design-tk.html#comment-297</link> <dc:creator>Robert Irizarry</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:18:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2006/09/18/alternative-headless-guitar-design-tk/#comment-297</guid> <description>I&#039;m looking forward to it!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to it!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mats Eriksson</title><link>http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2006/09/alternative-headless-guitar-design-tk.html#comment-292</link> <dc:creator>Mats Eriksson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:21:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2006/09/18/alternative-headless-guitar-design-tk/#comment-292</guid> <description>I will make photographs of abm bridges, and the Klein replica. Will return</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will make photographs of abm bridges, and the Klein replica. Will return</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Robert Irizarry</title><link>http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2006/09/alternative-headless-guitar-design-tk.html#comment-284</link> <dc:creator>Robert Irizarry</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:12:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2006/09/18/alternative-headless-guitar-design-tk/#comment-284</guid> <description>Great feedback on the ABM bridges! I&#039;d love to see some images of the guitar if you have them available.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great feedback on the ABM bridges! I&#8217;d love to see some images of the guitar if you have them available.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mats Eriksson</title><link>http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2006/09/alternative-headless-guitar-design-tk.html#comment-282</link> <dc:creator>Mats Eriksson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:23:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2006/09/18/alternative-headless-guitar-design-tk/#comment-282</guid> <description>Hi again!
I have one Klein replica made (from my original) with ABM single string bridge tuners. I live in Sweden but ordered them directly from ABM Germany. Took a couple of weeks though.Now they are too tight in two ways. First, they can be set at a very narrow string spacing like 12 mm (sorry,don&#039;t know that in inch) but if done so the actual tuning screw - that is jagged - will touch the neighboring ones. This is also true to their BASS bridges, single ones that is needed to fit perfect with a Steinberger neck. If they&#039;re at 17 mm the actual tuners makes contact with each other! :???:And, my big problem with double ball end strings is that ABM bridges can&#039;t move FORWARD enough to let the whole ball slip into the slot easily while changing strings. It&#039;s too tight, and there may not be enough room to intonate either. I have to turn the strings around so that THE SMALLER SIZED BALL fits into it&#039;s slot. This generates other problems such as lock windings of the strings protrudes over the zero fret and so on. This applies both to their fixed bridges and their single ones. I have a bass with ABM as well, so I know. However, when using single ball end strings, this is no problem.So there are a slight caveat emptor when buying ABM. ABMs material though, is rock solid, and German high quality steel. And sustains &quot;forever&quot;.However, ergonomics in headless designs are those that: The body/neck (i e the whole guitar!) should &quot;end&quot; where the strings ends!
Any material, bridge, tuners, etc, that comes behind or in front of that are unefficient, and un-rational. The excess string length that is wound up on tuners of a regular headstock guitar are a complete waste, both in staying in tune, and time to tune it up.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi again!<br /> I have one Klein replica made (from my original) with ABM single string bridge tuners. I live in Sweden but ordered them directly from ABM Germany. Took a couple of weeks though.</p><p>Now they are too tight in two ways. First, they can be set at a very narrow string spacing like 12 mm (sorry,don&#8217;t know that in inch) but if done so the actual tuning screw &#8211; that is jagged &#8211; will touch the neighboring ones. This is also true to their BASS bridges, single ones that is needed to fit perfect with a Steinberger neck. If they&#8217;re at 17 mm the actual tuners makes contact with each other! <img src='http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif' alt=':???:' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>And, my big problem with double ball end strings is that ABM bridges can&#8217;t move FORWARD enough to let the whole ball slip into the slot easily while changing strings. It&#8217;s too tight, and there may not be enough room to intonate either. I have to turn the strings around so that THE SMALLER SIZED BALL fits into it&#8217;s slot. This generates other problems such as lock windings of the strings protrudes over the zero fret and so on. This applies both to their fixed bridges and their single ones. I have a bass with ABM as well, so I know. However, when using single ball end strings, this is no problem.</p><p>So there are a slight caveat emptor when buying ABM. ABMs material though, is rock solid, and German high quality steel. And sustains &#8220;forever&#8221;.</p><p>However, ergonomics in headless designs are those that: The body/neck (i e the whole guitar!) should &#8220;end&#8221; where the strings ends!<br /> Any material, bridge, tuners, etc, that comes behind or in front of that are unefficient, and un-rational. The excess string length that is wound up on tuners of a regular headstock guitar are a complete waste, both in staying in tune, and time to tune it up.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ray DeGennaro</title><link>http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2006/09/alternative-headless-guitar-design-tk.html#comment-44</link> <dc:creator>Ray DeGennaro</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:00:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2006/09/18/alternative-headless-guitar-design-tk/#comment-44</guid> <description>Not sure of the best place to post this, but ABM does make single bridges for guitar with tuners: http://www.abmmueller.de/headless_units.htmland then click on the second picture from the right near the bottom. AllParts says they can get them, but it&#039;s a bit over two weeks and I&#039;ve not been able to get a price quote.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure of the best place to post this, but ABM does make single bridges for guitar with tuners: <a href="http://www.abmmueller.de/headless_units.htmland" rel="nofollow">http://www.abmmueller.de/headless_units.htmland</a> then click on the second picture from the right near the bottom. AllParts says they can get them, but it&#8217;s a bit over two weeks and I&#8217;ve not been able to get a price quote.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Robert Irizarry</title><link>http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2006/09/alternative-headless-guitar-design-tk.html#comment-43</link> <dc:creator>Robert Irizarry</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:43:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2006/09/18/alternative-headless-guitar-design-tk/#comment-43</guid> <description>Thanks for the link on those bridges. I&#039;ve seen them before on the Novax guitars and they are interesting to say the least. They particularly fit in with the Novax fanned fret concept because of the changing scale lengths for each string.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link on those bridges. I&#8217;ve seen them before on the Novax guitars and they are interesting to say the least. They particularly fit in with the Novax fanned fret concept because of the changing scale lengths for each string.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Robert Irizarry</title><link>http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2006/09/alternative-headless-guitar-design-tk.html#comment-45</link> <dc:creator>Robert Irizarry</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:16:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2006/09/18/alternative-headless-guitar-design-tk/#comment-45</guid> <description>You&#039;re right - tuning would require reaching behind the guitar so you would have to consider if that is a show-stopper. For me it isn&#039;t because of the potential benefits of a headless guitar. Also, keep in mind that both the fixed bridge and the locking tuners contribute to greater tuning stability which reduces the need for re-tuning. Thanks for the comment!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right &#8211; tuning would require reaching behind the guitar so you would have to consider if that is a show-stopper. For me it isn&#8217;t because of the potential benefits of a headless guitar. Also, keep in mind that both the fixed bridge and the locking tuners contribute to greater tuning stability which reduces the need for re-tuning. Thanks for the comment!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ray DeGennaro</title><link>http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2006/09/alternative-headless-guitar-design-tk.html#comment-46</link> <dc:creator>Ray DeGennaro</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:35:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://buildingtheergonomicguitar.com/2006/09/18/alternative-headless-guitar-design-tk/#comment-46</guid> <description>I like the use of &quot;stock&quot; tuners, but can they be adjusted from the top of the guitar? It looks like you&#039;d actually have to reach behind the guitar to tune it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the use of &#8220;stock&#8221; tuners, but can they be adjusted from the top of the guitar? It looks like you&#8217;d actually have to reach behind the guitar to tune it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>